I have better things to do at events than seek out females in the ranks. I also tend to avoid farb events as well, which cuts way down on the numbers of things that jump out at you - blatantly female soldiers being only one of those things.
The few events I do where one would expect such things - Neshaminy for instance, I know such things are going to be present, and I focus on something else. You can't go to a biker bar and complain about all the Harleys parked out front.
I question the motives of women that participate and make no attempt to hide their gender. It seems to me they simply want to flaunt the fact they've infiltrated the "boys club." Since they ride their Austrailian saddles on their paints in units that all look like
I guess the point is mute.
The women that served in disguise are owed better representation than they're getting.
Last Edit: Oct 10, 2007 9:13:32 GMT -5 by Jerry Todd
I Witnessed an all time low water mark for this issue last weekend. Two young ladies riding at their first event, during the "blackening of the farb's face ritual" prior to the battle at 1, dinner at 6 & ball at 8. So they do their black powder face cream mix and apply as ordered.
I know same old crap so far right? Wrong, no they both have to go wash off their faces because "we have sensitive skin and we might break out if this stuff stays on". But like Jerry said, given the state of the rest of the unit, what difference does it make?
Yes "Charles Heath" I know "attend quality events"! I keep saying that I'm not going to any more Farb Fests, only to get bored with only the 2 or 3 good events I can afford to attend each year. I can only kill so many balloons and watch so much History Channel before I forget about the:
"I'm ready, I've got my paint saddled, carbine is in its boot, saber is attached to the saddle, canteen is slung from the saddle over my genuine wool/poly blend blanket, on the same strap as my bent to crap and totally unusable cup, got 2 Remingtons in the pommels and 2 more on my belt, along with 2 spare cylinders.... Yah, I reckon I'm ready, how about you?"
and go back for another dose!
Last Edit: Nov 20, 2007 21:01:23 GMT -5 by fltrooper
Two young ladies riding at their first event, during the "blackening of the farb's face ritual" prior to the battle at 1, dinner at 6 & ball at 8. So they do their black powder face cream mix and apply as ordered.they both have to go wash off their faces because "we have sensitive skin and we might break out if this stuff stays on"
~* you guys need to realize that not all woman are like that.... you have only gave 2 examples what about all of the other woman that are in the ranks that are not afraid to get dirty and who are good riders? are you saying that just because of some woman that the others shouldnt have the right to ride in the ranks?
Last Edit: Nov 22, 2007 10:32:20 GMT -5 by pvtbrat
Thanks 2 y'all pvt Brat 1st Wisconsin Cavalry Company D
Post by Dave Myrick on Nov 22, 2007 14:04:39 GMT -5
It doesnt matter one whit that he women might be better riders, be willing to get dirty or anything else for that matter. What matters is simply this, You should not be able to tell that they were women. PERIOD! The very fact that Mike could, meant to him and most others that frequent this board, that they didnt belong on the field. Dave Myrick
Thanks for the help Dave, but you still sound like "Heef"! ;D
To be honest, my girlfriend sometimes rides at the one or two local FL FUBAR events I attend each year. It isn't my idea, if it were up to me she wouldn't and if she were the only one (or two, or three, or four.....) I would ask her to reconsider. However, that being said, do I hear the: "why do I have to keep my hair up under my hat and not wear makeup when the other girls don't"? Yup, evey time and I say that quoted question speaks volumes!
Last Edit: Nov 26, 2007 12:12:02 GMT -5 by fltrooper
Hi, The last decent event I was able to attend was practically spoiled for me when someone allowed a 12 year old girl to ride. She was put in formation between me and a friend. I don't know if the intention was for us babysit or not but that's what it felt like. She tried to blend in but it didn't work.
I don't post very often but felt a word or two was needed to be added.
This is going to be a subject that will rage on long after we are all dead and gone. I feel history is an important part of childrens education and rumors are out there to remove some of it from the schools as well as colleges. So, it is more important to work on keeping US history alive through reenactments; revolutionary, 1812, Civil War, WWI/II and others.
So, lets work together. Women have served not just in the civil war but others before this. We, ladies, still have to deal with it's a man's world. Guys do you still drive or does your wife or girl friend drive? I've noticed the change in the last few years. That wasn't the norm how many years ago?
You all yell about authenticity, create such tight rules, you exclude many who could work out, thus increasing your numbers. But, turn them away. Authencintiy is all about history and if you want to say, NO WOMAN ALLOWED! You are changing history and it is documented they served. Many hid so well, no one knew but the good lord and many just drifted off never to be known. A. J. Cashier/Jennie Hodgers, is one noted and document individual, who left the ranks, her gender never known, lived as a man and was found at age 86 when she broke her leg in an accident and the doctor kept her idenity a secret. She got her pension too.
History and authenticity, are the issue in all discussions on the Civil War. Not many fit the image of the Civil War soldier today and anyone reeacting as well as the public accept that.
What this debate comes down to: Women must do their best to hid in the ranks as did those before us. That is the honor WE pay to them and we in my 3d Iowa Cavalry unit have rules (Wendy King's) to follow and yet allow for growth and time to get it right. Ladies, are accepted by all in our unit because we want to honor those women who fought and the guys do there best not to point us out. But, we slip form time to time. There is a possiblity women served in the 3d IA, but we haven't found it. A caller talked to our historian, many years back about it and then never got back to him.
How many would try harder if you guys, accepted and helped us blend in? Quite a few soldiers (Male) did just that during the civil war. They could take a bullet as well as anyone. said one soldier.
You say there is nothing in your Regiment's roster to show women fought in your unit. If there wasn't any documention, they did a great job of not being found out and the name, Joe Smith, may have very well been a woman.
We, ladies, can not do our job, if you gentlemen don't help us. Ya know, it would be authentic, if you find a woman in your unit and send her home. Thus showing the public what happens to a woman who is found out. All within this world of Civil War reeacting are living historians and you rewrite history when you say, no women in the ranks.
The only woman to receive the Medal of Honor in the Civil War, do you know who she was? She is the only one in US Military History to do so and yes, she was known as a woman, a woman in trousers, she earned the respect of her fellow surgeons and a commision as an officer in the US Army.
Women made a lot of contributions to this war and some with their lives for what they believed in, just as the men who served. Today's military has finally allowed women where they were not allowed before and those in the Civil War laid the ground work for the women warriors of today's military. Do you not honor those who serve today? And if you do, you included the woman serving and what's makes the Civil War any different as we protray it today as living historians. 3d Iowa's reenactors believe in:
Pride, honor and commintment to doing our best as living historian by keeping the history of the Civil War alive for adults and children of today and tomorrow.
Isn't this where our thinking should be? Not fighting over whether woman should be in the ranks or not. History says we were, 400-1000 and only 250-300 are documented. I'll bet the numbers are higher.