Post by Dave Myrick on May 18, 2010 15:59:42 GMT -5
Brad, A couple of things jump out at me. The grip doesn't have the shape of an 1840. It isn't an 1860 either, so I'm not sure what it really is a copy of, the stampings, while not the usual Indian or what have you are not quite right either. The throat of the scabbards aren't of the 1840 style. they more closely resemble those of an 1860. If you have the means, you can't co wrong with an original blade. Weight, balance and temper haven't been replicated to my knowledge. Dave
Post by AndyGerman on May 18, 2010 19:21:17 GMT -5
I agree with Dave. That's a Legendary Arms "repro." I got one, and I had a correct grip put on and the INDIA stamping removed. I was very happy with it until I discovered the balance still doesn't match an actual Model 1840. So I found an original for a decent price on eBay (it happens occasionally). I wouldn't use a fully marked, U.S. manufactured original in the field, but mine is an unmarked German import.
I'll be happy to pass my repro 1840 on to you for a reasonable price, but you might want to wait for something more accurate to come along. FYI, the repro Model 1860s are not accurate either.
Post by snsliberty on May 19, 2010 12:38:31 GMT -5
Dave and Andy:
I thought as much! Not having the trained eye, I thought it best to ask around. The grip does stand out now that I have looked at originals at militaria shows, they are wrapped tighter.
As for the price, I asked the fellow who moved my Mom a couple of weeks ago why they were so expensive. He used to sell CW Militaria, and his answer was that the Europeans bought a boat load of them, and the US dealers are trying to get their money back? He told me he used to sell 1840's for 300.00 twenty years ago! True or not?
There is something really neat about an Ames marked 1840 though! Keep looking!
Post by Nutmegtrooper on May 24, 2010 12:32:41 GMT -5
Welcome to the wonderful and whacky world of cavalry! As Dave and Andy already chimed in, those eBay repros are junk. There are some older repro sabres out there that are halfway decent, but you really have to pick through to find one.
Original "parts" sabres are definitely an option as there are still lots of parts out there. I don't know about your friend's stroy about the Europeans buying blades makes too much sense. When I started reenacting (1989, when I was 13) originals were around $300-$500. But then gas was less than a dollar, and you could go out for dinner for less than $25. The cost of everything has gone up, and sabres are comperably priced for inflation.
If you do end up riding with the 1st Maine at some point, I would be willing to part with one of extra better repro sabres if you're interested. If you ride with someone else, you'll have to find your own source! LOL!!
Take care, Tom Craig 1st Maine Cavalry email@example.com
Post by Nutmegtrooper on Jun 18, 2010 9:07:55 GMT -5
Hey Brad, It's obviously taken me a little while to get back to you...I've been on vacation and such. Anyway, to answer your sabre question, I am honestly not sure. Andy German may be able to tell you better if there was a particular maker, but I am guessing not. That information may be out there, and I don't know if any of us have ever uncovered it. As I'm sure you are aware, the focus or trend of the current "progressive" movement is to strive for the general impression as opposed to the specifically correct. We have, in the 1st ME had some discussion that the specific may in fact be the best direction to go in, but we've only made a little progress in that direction. Shoot me an email at some point: firstname.lastname@example.org and I will add you to the 1st Maine mailing list so you can keep up with what we're up to. Take care, Tom
Post by AndyGerman on Jun 18, 2010 14:56:11 GMT -5
Hello Brad and Tom,
I'm not sure we'll ever know, other than finding examples with provenance to the unit, what makers were represented among 1st ME sabres. As noted in Tobie, the unit did not receive its sabres and pistols until it arrived in DC in the spring of 1862, so they came from federal, not state, supplies. I imagine they were a mix of domestic manufactures, such as by Ames (which had produced about 24,000 Model 1840s between 1844 and 1858), and imports from the usual Solingen makers, such as Schnitzler & Kirschbaum (which actually produced the first Model 1840s sabres for the government). Check out John Thillmann's Civil War Cavalry & Artillery Sabers for basic info on the different makers.