Post by 7thohiocav on Dec 11, 2010 19:40:10 GMT -5
I've been using Carrios equipment for over three years and have not had one problem. I ride almost every day and like everything in the world. "You take care of it, it will take care of you". Now I know some will talk about quality being AC vs Mainstream, but when it works and keeps you and your horse safe that is what matters to me.
Jeff Thompson 7th Ohio Cavalry Out here in California
Post by Dave Myrick on Dec 12, 2010 10:39:27 GMT -5
Jeff, There is a myth that accurately made reproductions are too expensive and unsafe or less durable than quality made accurate reproductions. These are perpetuated by reenactors that buy into them. They simply are not true. They difference is profit margins. Poor quality, chrome tanned and drum dyed leather requires less cost and man hours to turn into products then quality veg tanned leather. Add machine stitching instead of hand stitching and the time and cost to produce drops dramatically.
Post by 7thohiocav on Dec 12, 2010 12:19:41 GMT -5
See just like I said. I didn't say anything about any myth or the cost.
The self proclamed AC's are like sharks just waiting to attack or insult you. They never do it in public, just on sites like this. Thats why I 'm leaving the hobby and so is the rest of my 9 man and woman unit for the 2011 season. Maybe forever.
We decided to let the AC's ride in their small member units and deal with the public and event cordinators, when they (the public and event cordinators) ask where is everyone they can explain about their dislike of FARB's and our nonperiod gear or how we use chrome tanned leather and not veg tanned leather.
Theres more for us to do then waist our time and money transporting our horses, getting gear, endangering our horses with untrained riders from other units, or have the public bother our horses while they are resting on the picket line, attending a BS events with idiots that call themselves our leaders that know nothing about leading or how to use horses.
Then get insulted on sites like this because we used this or that or my favorite; "How we lie to the public".
So Dave and the rest, you can keep it all to yourselves. Plus this will save me lots of money on events and I can skip my yearly donations to the CWPT and other save of history sites and stuff.
I would to see every FARB or mainstream unit follow us out the door and watch our American history reenactments suffer this year, and this will really hurt the pocket books of the land owners that host CW events.
Post by Dave Myrick on Dec 12, 2010 17:14:45 GMT -5
Jeff, I didnt attack you, nor your choice of gear. If its what you want to use and perpetuate myths then go right ahead.I was simply responding to the point that YOU brought up, that authentic gear is just as good for riding as unauthentic gear. Tell you what, go ahead and ride your horse and do what ever you want. If you want to leave reenacting and take your unit with you, then adios. No hard feelings here. Dave
Post by mikeschramm on Dec 13, 2010 10:17:55 GMT -5
What response were you looking for?
"...when it works and keeps you and your horse safe that is what matters to me."
So can I use my Circle Y Omaha roping saddle?
Both me and my horse will be very safe, so while an extreme example it satisfies your above statement. If not, then you are "them" and you have drawn a line in the sand defining what level of authenticity or lack of authenticity you are willing to accept. Carrico doesn't meet Dave's.
We all have to make a decision at what level of "the suck" and (lack of) authenticity we are willing to accept. It is a hobby and it doesn't matter if you subscribe to the 10 inch, 10 feet, 10 yards or 10 mile (in the case of my Omaha saddle) rule everyone has a different idea of what floats their boat.
Post by 7thohiocav on Dec 13, 2010 13:16:55 GMT -5
I can tell your are lost in this world. Are you stll the king of the potato people?
Where did I make any statments about myths or cost or this is better than that? That you and Dave are so quick to defend or point out? I did state that Carricos gear works and I am confident in using his tack. Which is the point of his question.
I know Carricos very well and on another site it was proven that no one anywhere makes the perfect saddle or tack, so seeing some people here talk down to a man that is doing his best and makes a great reproduction to support his family is not fair.
Have you ever seen or compared his products?
I have and my most authentic quarter strap assembly is just the same as the one he sells. The secret is keeping it oiled and well cared for after every ride. I know that alot of reenactors don't care for their gear and thats why most break or dry rot. Then they are so quick to blame the maker and not themselves, for lack of maintenance on their equipment.
Do you know that some of his gear is used in the upcoming Trut Grit movie?
Since you know so much, then why don't you or Dave start making the tack to sell to other reenactors?
Just because it is not to your taste then let it be (no reason to publicly call his work crap when it is not).
The question posted here was "Hi has anyone done business with Carrico leatherworks?"
I answered his question, that I use his gear and I did leave out that if you place it next to anyone elses, you cannot tell the difference, Now when you get out the official AC microscope then you will start to see minor and I mean MINOR differences. For the question was not asking for most authentic.
Now bring up you Circle Y omaha roping saddle into the conversation just shows your level of ignorance and desire to be heared.
This is another reason that I grew tired of going to CW events. Jerks wanting to overload a conversation with mundane items as a example. Next your going to be telling me a saddle tree made out of plywood is as strong as a solid wooden saddle tree. Which alot of these so called expert saddle makers are now using and charging the same price or more for a solid wooden tree. Yet Carrico is NOT using plywood trees.
So keep riding at your low skill level horsemanship Civil War events while my group heads out on a week long packing trip into the Sierra Nevada mountains, by the way I'm using Carricos gear that can hold up to the strain on mountain trails. Maybe I should go out and buy a Circle Y Omaha roping saddle since it is as good as my McClellan in your opinion.
Post by mikeschramm on Dec 13, 2010 18:13:42 GMT -5
I think you should go back and read what I wrote and see if you can find examples of the things you have attributed to me.
I said that a roping saddle was an extreme example, but it is was used to hopefully open a conversation so that you could see that people could have differences between each's level of authenticity.
You have on your unit's website an entire page dedicated to a sutler that has wronged member(s) of your unit. What Dave said is that Carrico doesn't meet HIS standards. Which pales in comparison to what has been said on your site.
So let us recap.
Your first post you stated that you liked his tack and that it was just as good as more accurate gear. Dave disagreed.
Your second post stated that authentic guys are sharks and that you and your unit is taking the year off. Dave said, ok.
Your third post was "see".
I, like a fool, jumped in and asked what response you were looking for when you said that you were taking the year off. I suppose you were looking for, "oh please don't go."
I also tried to explain that people have different standards. Carrico doesn't meet Dave's, but it does meet yours. Great. You obviously didn't like my example, but it was the first non-period saddle that popped into my head.
I had no dog in this fight, I, again like a fool, thought that I could smooth things over. Wrong again.
Take a year off, fine. Don't, ibid.
Bring you and your unit to '13 Gettysburg, fine. Don't come, ditto.
Post by Dave Myrick on Dec 13, 2010 18:14:27 GMT -5
Uh I have and do make and sell tack and leather reeancting gear to other reenactors. All are faithful reproductions of the originals they are copied from. Oh and the originals are in my collection. My saddle trees aren't plywood either. I have seen Carrico's work and Kidd's and Pepper's and others as well. Their work does not compare to the originals. Not in leather weight, finish, hardware, construction methods and patterns. They may be close but for me and others here, not close enough. What relevance is it that some of Carrrico's work is going to be in a movie? Does that make it something special? Some of my leather work can be seen a local museum, big deal. Also, for the record, I never degraded his work. For what it is, it is fine but if someone is seeking a higher level of authenticity in their gear in addition to functionality, then it falls short. BTW, you should tell David C. to give you a raise. Dave
Post by Dave Myrick on Dec 14, 2010 15:04:46 GMT -5
Jeff, You in your posts here, you routinely shoot off your mouth and resort to hurling insults. I seriously doubt you have ever seen an original artifact in anything more than a photograph. I challenge you to find a nosebag used during the civil war that looks anything like the one Kidd sells. Also, find a pair of Allegehny saddle bags like the ones Carrico sells. Find me a saddle made before 1872 with machine stitching, Shawn, Kidd and Carrico all use machine stitching. That may not matter to you but it does to others, myself included. As for Nick Duvall, I encourage you send something I made to him for evaluation as I do it all of the time. We often ride together. With regard to my "business", I only will sell to someone that I know personally due in part to persons with an attitude such as yours and only after I refer then to my good friend Nick Duvall and he has turned them away. Its an integrity issue, something I'm sure you know little about. Good day to you sir. I wish you well in your future endevours, whatever they may be. Dave